Trump's interest in Ukraine ramped up as Giuliani pressed on Biden claims
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(CNN)President
Donald Trump's stance on Ukraine has evolved over the past year from
one of general uninterest to a more engaged approach as he has discussed allegations of wrongdoing involving former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, people familiar with the matter said.
Now
Ukraine has become wrapped in the Trump presidency's many subplots: the
role of Russia and President Vladimir Putin, the legacy of Trump's
predecessor Barack Obama, Trump's reelection outlook and a loose network
of advisers not always operating in concert.
The
result is renewed focus on a country Trump once sought to tune out but
where he now sees a political opportunity. His approach to Ukraine melds
political and national security concerns fanned by some of his closest
advisers.
Trump
has raised the issue involving the former vice president and his son
Hunter Biden repeatedly in private conversations and believes there is a
political opportunity in further probing the matter, the people
familiar with the matter said.
He's been urged along by his private attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who told CNN on Thursday evening that
he'd pressed Ukrainian officials to investigate Biden and his son.
Giuliani has maintained that he has been acting on his own and not at
the direction of the President as he meets with Ukrainian officials. But
Giuliani is aware that the issue has gotten Trump's attention,
according to the people familiar with the situation. And Trump has
raised it multiple times, in person and on the phone.
A
source close to the White House who is familiar with Trump's comments
said the President has been seething for months about Ukraine and Biden.
The source described Trump as "angry" about what he sees as a liability
for the former vice president. The source also said Giuliani has been
"egging him on."
Trump told
reporters on Friday that "somebody ought to look into" the Biden matter,
and said that "it doesn't matter what I discussed" during a July phone
call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. CNN reported on Friday
that in that call, Trump pressed Zelensky to investigate Biden's son. Trump is due to meet next Wednesday with Zelensky in New York.
Trump
was not initially interested in meeting with Zelensky or engaging with
him, viewing him as an extension of the country's previous leader,
President Petro Poroshenko. Trump believed Ukraine was a corrupt country
that wasn't committed to reform, according to people familiar with his
thinking at the time.
The phone
call and meeting come after months of back and forth between Trump and
his advisers, who have worked to convince him that engaging the new
Ukrainian leader is worth his time and effort for national security
reasons.
The country's attacks on
Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, with accusations of him
laundering money with offshore accounts, were the ultimate foundation
for the President's beliefs.
Trump
also consistently cast Ukraine -- a portion of which was annexed by
Russia in 2014 -- as a messy situation created by his predecessor that
he was unenthusiastic about wading into himself.
"He had never been concerned or interested in Ukraine," one person familiar with Trump's thinking said.
"Obama
lost it," was Trump's view, the person said, adding that the President
always seemed "more interested in engaging Putin than Zelensky."
Trump's
ties to Putin have been heavily scrutinized, and he's been accused of
showing deference to the Russian leader. He's also remained fixated on
Obama, frequently seeking to unravel his legacy.
That
lack of interest in Ukraine appeared to shift over the summer, when
some of Trump's national security advisers worked to convince him that
engaging Ukraine's new leader would benefit US national security
interests. Though Trump continued to remain skeptical, he told his
advisers he was open to being convinced of further engagement.
Then-national
security adviser John Bolton and other senior Trump administration
officials invited Oleksandr Danylyuk, the secretary of Ukraine's
National Security and Defense Council, to Washington for meetings in
early July. They went well, and the White House saw it as a "sign of
encouragement" to nudge Trump toward working with Ukraine.
The
renewed engagement happened to dovetail with Giuliani's efforts to
convince Ukrainian officials to look into Biden and his son -- an effort
Giuliani spoke about publicly and that quickly caught Trump's
attention. Even before Zelensky took office, Giuliani made known he was
looking to set up a meeting to discuss an investigation into Burisma,
the natural gas company where Biden's son Hunter had served on the board
of directors.
Giuliani's meetings
occurred over the summer, just as US administration officials were
working to spark Trump's interest in Ukraine. The parallel efforts
seemed to be the launchpad for convincing Trump to engage with Ukraine
more robustly. Three weeks later, Trump spoke by phone with Zelensky for
the first time, in a call that is now under intense scrutiny for its
potential role in the whistleblower's complaint.
Later, aides worked to arrange a meeting in Poland, though Trump
ultimately did not make the trip because of a hurricane in the United
States.
People familiar with the
matter said Bolton and the other US officials who met with Danylyuk in
early July did not discuss the Biden matter. But the issue was known,
and colored the talks.
"That was a
bizarre situation, but it all seemed to be dealt with in Giuliani
track," a person familiar with the meetings said. "It was out there, but
it was being handled by Giuliani. We did not deal with that because he
[Giuliani] was talking about it and saying he was a private citizen."
At
the same time, the administration begin reviewing $250 million in
foreign aid to Ukraine, initially placing a hold on the package that
angered some in Congress. The issue provided another wedge between
Bolton, who was an advocate for the aid, and acting chief of staff Mick
Mulvaney, who pushed for the package to be reviewed. The money was released last week.
It's
not known how, if at all, the foreign aid was related to the Biden
matter. And a person familiar with the situation said Friday that Trump
had not discussed the pending aid package during the July 25 call with
Zelensky.
But even before this
week's revelations about the intelligence whistleblower, Democrats in
Congress had accused the administration of engaging in a quid pro quo
with the Ukrainian government.
Through
it all, Trump's interactions and meetings on Ukraine have been treated
with special sensitivity within the administration. The State Department
never got extensive readouts of his calls. And few people within the
administration learned precisely what was discussed.
"There was concern about leaks," one person said of the tight hold on information.
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